Not Worth The Money.. Nexus 7 2013 out.. HiSense Sero 7 Pro Now Only $129.00 In..

[Reciprocal]

Your comment reminded me of the Late Jim Kelly & Hahn from the Movie "Enter the Dragon"
When Hahn looked at Jim Kelly right after Bolo killed the Guards that were on duty the night prior that allowed Bruce Lee to slip around and do his thing.. Bolo picked one dude up and just crushed him in his arms like a baby and Hahn ask Jim Kelly "Does this bother you?"
And Kelly replied: " Only In How Sloppy Your Man Works"
The Nexus-7 2013 is kinda like Bolo..... It may be a little "Sloppy" but with some assistance, it can get the job done...
But...... It ain't no Bruce Lee.
Like the Late Great Bruce Lee was.. The Mini is simply refined in how it handles it's business

I would say the mini is some of an "over-refinement" really. Sure it does what it sets out to do and does exactly that, nothing more nothing less, but it lacks the flexibility that the Nexus 7 has out of the box. You say it's sloppy which is a complete opinion, so I can't and won't argue it, but for me, I call it Adaptable. It lacked a solid plan out of the box until I went through it for a day and set it up to exactly how I wanted it to run. My own keyboard, web browser, launcher, widgets, and accessories around the house. With all that out the way, it now does more for me than anything the iPad mini could. I now have Flash Video support thanks to a little side loading, Miracast to play the flash internet videos I want until YouTube stops crapping itself everytime I want to play a video (its a problem on every platform at this point), and TV portal + ES file manager to download and watch all the TV shows I like to keep up with.

Also, let me help you out with the whole Bruce Lee thing. Bruce didnt agree with the fact that Kung Fu and other disciplines were so strict about their teachings and methods for training (Much like I feel toward Apple) and decided to branch away from that style to create his own style called Jeet Kune Do, a fighting style that adapts to the opponent the person is facing, it grows and adapts with the person learning it and can achieve a fighting ability like nothing you've ever seen (Much like Android). Bruce Lee may have refined his style, but he never forced others to recreate it move for move. In fact look up JKD Concepts to see how far his style has grown and evolved by taking the best of other styles and mixing them with the original JKD philosophy.

 

[JHBThree]

That was for the Octocore overseas version and that was pointed out by Anandtech. It was getting in the high 27ks, low 28ks. The regular S4 has no optimization.

Nope. The Snapdragon version also had optimization.

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[TraderGary]

This video shows the new Nexus 7 (2013) outperforming the iPad 4 by a substantial margin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiaQRDCCkeA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Sent from my incredible new Nexus 7 (2013)

 

[Aquila]

This video shows the new Nexus 7 (2013) outperforming the iPad 4 by a substantial margin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiaQRDCCkeA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Sent from my incredible new Nexus 7 (2013)

I'm not sure why but I was really annoyed at the need to type out all of ".com"

But yeah, circles around it in terms of browsing + better display + faster processor + (subjective) better software = win.

 

[JHBThree]

This video shows the new Nexus 7 (2013) outperforming the iPad 4 by a substantial margin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiaQRDCCkeA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Sent from my incredible new Nexus 7 (2013)

First of all, the iPad is running a beta os, which isn't finished. Second of all, the fact that it IS a beta OS and apple has not started approving any apps that are optimized for it, means that tests like the ones you posted are invalid.

The iPad 4 still has the most powerful CPU/GPU combination in the tablet market.

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[RaiderWill]

I Really.. Need To Ask A Question.....
OF A LOT OF YOU.

Why in the world is there a video of a 2012 IPAD 4 VS A "2013" NEXUS-7 EVEN PLACED IN THIS THREAD ???

If you want to "Prop Up" the "2013" N7, Then let's continue this ONCE THE "2013" IPAD 4 AND "2013" IPAD MINI ARE RELEASED

Just the fact that some are starting to feel the need to go as far as posting videos trying to show up The Consensus Number #1 Tablet by which ALL others are Judged..*The iPad 4* is AMAZING to me..
Owning both the Mini and the N7 gives me a somewhat unique insight as to their performance.. They are sitting 6 inches from me as I type this.. I pick one or the other up all day long.. I am not BIAS either way....
I state the FACTS as they are presented to me through my day to day usage of each device.
As you can plainly see.. I have one of the FASTEST Nexus-7's out there...My Antutu score proves that as FACT.
I use both Apple and Android's 7 inch Tablets all day everyday... And the 2012 iPad Mini is more "Refined" than the Nexus-7 2013.. That's a FACT.
Faster in sheer speed? No... More Refined? YES.

If I were not able to tweak the N7 up to where I felt Low-Binned Snapdragon 600 chips are suppose to preform ( which is what the N7's CPu is..) You can bet the N7 would have been back at Walmart.

 

[Aquila]

I use both Apple and Android's 7 inch Tablets all day everyday... And the 2012 iPad Mini is more "Refined" than the Nexus-7 2013.. That's a FACT.

I was most of the way with you until this one. The amount of "refinement" seems entirely subjective, as are most opinions about a software experience. I agree that iOS's main feature is the dedication to polish, but I still find the software lacking and stale next to the incredibly smooth operation of 4.3. The fact that we can interpret our experiences differently is what makes it subjective. That and the ecosystem philosophy, along with the fact that most of the apps I want either don't exist or are lacking functionality on iOS (weird to hear someone say this reversed?), makes Android a vastly superior OS to me. Obviously you have a different perspective.

I think the video stems from a comment about the 2013 Nexus 7 being the best tablet available today, which I couched in terms of waiting to see what the new iPad and Nexus 10 from this year bring.

 

[Anonymous3948572]

First of all, the iPad is running a beta os, which isn't finished. Second of all, the fact that it IS a beta OS and apple has not started approving any apps that are optimized for it, means that tests like the ones you posted are invalid.

The iPad 4 still has the most powerful CPU/GPU combination in the tablet market.

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Some Proof bro? At least he gave some semi-legit sources.

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[RaiderWill]

The amount of "refinement" seems entirely subjective, as are most opinions about a software experience. I agree that iOS's main feature is the dedication to polish

True.. You are 100% correct.. iOS is all about polish.. That's the refinement my friend I don't know how much you know about the Evasion Jailbreak of 2013 but believe me, it gives iOS 6 as many if not more features to play with as Android..
The N7 is a BEAST.. Sheer Power.. A little rough around the edges though.. I have been up halfway through the Night because this thing is like the Hot Rod your Wife let's you fiddle with after the chores are done.. I've gotten almost another 1,000 points out of this N7.. Getting closer to those Snapdragon 600's now...

 

[buffdaddy72]

Seems like a pretty good deal for the money. But I would be weary about this tablet as far as support for updates. Obviously the Nexus devices will get the latest updates so I'm not sure a tablet at this price point will have the same support.

But still for the money it's has all the bells and whistles you could ask for.

 

[Farish]

Nope. The Snapdragon version also had optimization.

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There was no over clocking on the snapdragon chipset. What happen was on the S4 when the benchmarks were ran, the S4 snapdragon cores would run at maximum frequency which is 1.9ghz. That is available to any application. Remember our qualcomm chips will change frequency based on usage to help converse battery power. The cheating happened with the Octocore GPU being overclocked because that was only available to those benchmarks.

From the article itself:

Interestingly enough, the same behavior (on the CPU side) can be found on Qualcomm versions of the Galaxy S 4 as well. In these select benchmarks, the CPU is set to the maximum CPU frequency available at app launch and stays there for the duration, all cores are plugged in as well, regardless of load, as soon as the application starts.

This is where Anandtech flat out states that you can't trust the Octocore.

What this does mean however is that you should be careful about comparing Exynos 5 Octa based Galaxy S 4s using any of the affected benchmarks to other devices and drawing conclusions based on that. This seems to be purely an optimization to produce repeatable (and high) results in CPU tests, and deliver the highest possible GPU performance benchmarks.

 

[Rule9]

Ehh. The big iPad is still a better product overall. The Nexus 7 is good, but the iPad beats it on design/materials, and processor-wise. (The A6X is a BEAST)

However, the nexus is certainly the best small screen tablet, and best android tablet.

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And let's also not lose sight of the fact we're talking over a 100% price difference either. What Google is giving us for this money is nothing short of amazing when you consider you're paying around $500-$700 for an older device from Apple. Even if I were to completely agree that an iPad 4 is better (and I'm not), is it worth twice as much and more than the N7? God no. Apple overcharges for their stuff because they want to continue promoting the belief that you're getting what yuo pay for. That may have been true 2+ years ago but it isn't anymore.

 

[HalizDad]

Basically the same product would be the first gen Nexus 7, not the new one.

Exactly...

 

[JHBThree]

Some Proof bro? At least he gave some semi-legit sources.

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A YouTube video of an iPad running iOS 7 beta is not 'semi-legit' sources.

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[JHBThree]

There was no over clocking on the snapdragon chipset. What happen was on the S4 when the benchmarks were ran, the S4 snapdragon cores would run at maximum frequency which is 1.9ghz. That is available to any application. Remember our qualcomm chips will change frequency based on usage to help converse battery power. The cheating happened with the Octocore GPU being overclocked because that was only available to those benchmarks.

From the article itself:



This is where Anandtech flat out states that you can't trust the Octocore.

Uh, that article does not state what you're saying. It says specifically that the snapdragon version spools the cores up to max frequency and stays there, even though it SHOULD be turning one or more of the cores off and dialing the frequency back.

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[Bryant Arrington]

I just got the new Nexus 7. It crashes too much. I couldn't take a photo without it crashing. I reset to factory 4 times but no luck.
I just packed it up to return and exchange. If the next one does that, I will get my money back from Amazon.

 

[BigDinCA]

I Really.. Need To Ask A Question.....
OF A LOT OF YOU.

Why in the world is there a video of a 2012 IPAD 4 VS A "2013" NEXUS-7 EVEN PLACED IN THIS THREAD ???

You should pay attention to the thread you start: prior to the video post there were posts that compared the iPad4 more favorably over the new N7. So... as a response to previous comments, someone else decided to make the same comparison, only more favorable to the N7 and with video. This, in turn, caused other people to have what seems to be a coronary embolism.

First of all, the iPad is running a beta os, which isn't finished. Second of all, the fact that it IS a beta OS and apple has not started approving any apps that are optimized for it, means that tests like the ones you posted are invalid.

I don't think anyone is pretending that the iPad isn't great and that CPU/GPU combo isn't stellar, but since we are only weeks away from an Apple launch (which includes the new OS) I would assume that what you're going to see in beta is pretty close to what you're going to get officially. Not exact, but close enough to say I don't expect to see a 50% increase in a CPU/RAM benchmark.

 

[Farish]

Uh, that article does not state what you're saying. It says specifically that the snapdragon version spools the cores up to max frequency and stays there, even though it SHOULD be turning one or more of the cores off and dialing the frequency back.

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Can you show me where they state that one core or more cores should be turning off as I quoted the article you can do the same.

Also can you show me where Anandtech states be careful of the S4 Snapdragon benchmarks because they specifically state that about the Octocore as I quoted.

The S4 Snapdragon has a published speed of 1.9ghz. If they were going 2.1ghz on that test, I think Anandtech would have called that cheating like they did with the Octocore version.

Also the person who originally found this info, stated that the issue is the GPU on the Octo version being overclocked. There is no overclocking on the Snapdragon version in any form.

There are also several articles stating the same thing, it is the Octocore version, don't you think they would be stating both versions of the phone if the Snapdragon version was caught cheating.

 

[Farish]

This video shows the new Nexus 7 (2013) outperforming the iPad 4 by a substantial margin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiaQRDCCkeA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Sent from my incredible new Nexus 7 (2013)

The GeekBench figure maybe close to accurate because of the numbers that the iPad 4 got with IOS 6.

My problem with the Chrome Browsing test is in the latest versions of Chrome there is a feature known as mobile data compression. Regardless of the connection if you are using Chrome it is going to send you a shrunken form of the website that is pre cache and done by Google.

My other issue with this, is the iPad was released 9 months ago. This is like comparing the Nexus 7 2012 with the Nexus 7 2013. Technology moves very fast and there is no way these older devices are going to keep up. We are having speed shifts happening every six months and we haven't hit a bottleneck yet.

 

[asdfzxcvv]

I jumped on the $129 deal for the sero pro 7 and brought one from local Walmart (had to visit 2 Walmart stores as the first one completely sold out). I wanted a cheap tablet for my two year old to stream online cartoons and for xbmc which is not available on non-jail broken ipad.

Here is a quick review of the unit:

Positives: speakers clear and loud enough... Hdmi out works nice with xbmc... The bundled kingsoft office suite actually is decent and of course the $129 price point.
Not so positives: this tablet is thicker than I expected and feels more weighty than my iPad mini which has a larger screen. Side by side with the ipad this makes me appreciate the mini's industrial design... The border on this thing is too wide and takes up too much room... On the software side jellybean still feels awkward even with the supposed project butter improvement. For simple stuff like browse for an app in the google play store my swipe motions sometime registers as clicks that opens the app detail view. The builtin camera app on occasion renders a messed up view in view finder. I really like the open nature of the android platform and the fact that I can drag and drop my photos without iTunes but I am disappointed with how jellybean's still lacking the 'smoothness'.

At the end it really comes down to if the $200 difference in price(329 vs 129) justifies the the horrid day 2 day usability of android based tablets.