okay, I am a glutton for punishment, called gs again, spoke with Alex, she told me something totally different than than the other guy tonight..... She said shipment is definitely starting tomorrow, but being as I order on the 6th, I might not have mine in hand till Tuesday (little better than a week) she did not know what I meant by hub, and was not sure about retailers selling before all gs preorders got to the end user.... She did state that they have a goal of delivering 10000-12000 a day, she said there are not enough trucks avaliable to do them all..... Have a feeling the refresh count on this forum for me, will look weak compared to how often I do it the next few days.... Lol its only 11 pm here in Saint Louis Missouri