You expect too much of Android Pappy. It's not ios, it won't receive updates like it. it's certainly a problem, but not one that could be solved within a few days. This would have to be a DRASTIC change, and even then if we did this we would lose a lot of the choices of Android. I would rather receive updates by rooting or updates late than lose Sense or Motoblur or Touchwiz
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You expect too much of Android Pappy. It's not ios, it won't receive updates like it. it's certainly a problem, but not one that could be solved within a few days. This would have to be a DRASTIC change, and even then if we did this we would lose a lot of the choices of Android. I would rather receive updates by rooting or updates late than lose Sense or Motoblur or Touchwiz
More than you would expect. The HTC one, the Galaxy s4, they both have unlocked versions. Those are just two examples, I could go on for a while.
And probably 98% of Android owners don't "know what they are doing" when it comes to rooting, and shouldn't need to know.
CF auto root makes it easy, and more people are learning everyday. Android users are smarter than you think
Customer satisfaction has to do with the great customer service they have that no other oem offers.
If you are item is under warranty or Apple Care they will replace it for you quickly.
My mother in law iPhone 4 4g antenna stop working properly. As part of the process they restored her phone right there. After they did so and saw it was still not working, they swapped her out with a new one. No headaches.
Same service with computers and other items.
Nobody else offers that.
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That's the second time you've pointed out infraction points in reference to another member. At best it's a thinly veiled personal attack, at worst it's a blatantly obvious personal attack. Either way, you need to stop, and find other ways to prove your points besides attacking the member you're responding too.
As for everyone else, I love this discussion. I know I hate benchmarks, but keep in mind that Android devices really are always chasing the latest iPhone to be at the top of the charts. CPU speed doesn't matter as much as other things. Apple consistently uses the most powerful GPU possible, and it's always been faster than what's being used in Android devices. Software also has a LOT to do with performance.
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RE: unlocked versions of phones. Android has a TON of unlocked versions of phones. There's just one problem (edit: actually there's more than one problem). The majority of them are prohibitively expensive for the average person that's used to spending ~$200 for a device on contract. Not to mention they aren't generally available in the US without going through an importer.
So, with those two things being the case, we've just ruled out 99% of the people that buy phones.
Arguing about updates when compared to Apple is dumb. Apple just does it better. Regardless of if they strip features out for older hardware, they do the updates right. You're most likely going to get some kind of newness each year for the two years you own the device, not to mention the much smaller updates you get to improve stability and security (otherwise known as fixing the jailbreak exploit). Fact is, OEM's need to learn from Apple in this regard.
Maybe one day the majority of people on Android will use a Nexus device, or unlocked devices will be cheap enough that most people will use them. Until that's the case, give up on the updates argument guys. You're grasping at straws.
So, with those two things being the case, we've just ruled out 99% of the people that buy phones.
Arguing about updates when compared to Apple is dumb. Apple just does it better. Regardless of if they strip features out for older hardware, they do the updates right. You're most likely going to get some kind of newness each year for the two years you own the device, not to mention the much smaller updates you get to improve stability and security (otherwise known as fixing the jailbreak exploit). Fact is, OEM's need to learn from Apple in this regard.
Maybe one day the majority of people on Android will use a Nexus device, or unlocked devices will be cheap enough that most people will use them. Until that's the case, give up on the updates argument guys. You're grasping at straws.
First, the updates are not designed for their phones. The Android updates are just code. The OEM's have to change that code to make it work with their hardware, so most every phone has its own unique OS.
Second, you're talking about it as if there weren't any upsides to the way Android works. OEM's frequently add additional features to the generic Android code. This allows them to use unique hardware and optimize different aspects of each phone. For example, Samsung added micro SD support, high sensitivity touch screen support a bunch of camera enhancements, a few new sensors, and an IR blaster to their version of Android for the S4. HTC added a bunch of stuff to the One as well. Who's out there adding stuff to iOS? You get what Apple says you get and that's the end of it. There are an extremely limited number of developers working on iOS itself compared to the number of people working on Android. It's even more developers if you consider the bootleg ROM's out there. Those are all gigantic advantages over iOS as far as I'm concerned.
So you get a bunch of major advantages for that one major disadvantage.
Most phones seem to get one or two Android updates, which isn't that far off from how many iOS updates each iPhone gets in two years. They just all happen to fall in the first year of an Android phone being on the market rather than being spread out like the iOS updates. I agree it would be nice if OEM's and carriers supported their devices better and for a longer period, though. I'm not willing to give up those advantages I outlined earlier to get that, though and I think many people would agree with me if they understood what it all meant.
There's nothing wrong with me pointing that out, everyone can see it. I'm sorry if you don't like it. It's not an attack, it's a real observation. Obviously, they did something to earn those. Pointing it out shouldn't be a problem if Android Central wants it displayed on their profiles
Thank you, somebody that understands what I'm talking about! Everything about that post was spot on
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You don't get to choose which features get added to what device, the OEM does. So what's really so different in that regard? You can't decide that you want the display from the One, software of the S4, and camera of the Lumia 1020. You're stuck with what Samsung, HTC, etc decide to put in the phone.
Don't mistake the various hardware/software combinations that OEM's put out that as some sort of freedom that iOS users don't have. On Android we just have more than one company telling us what we can/can't have on our devices.
The fact that it's displayed is why you don't need to point it out.
Fair enough. I can still point it out if I wish. It's their fault for getting the points in the first place.
Good point. And they decide which phones will get them, which is not good a lot of times. How long has Jellybean been out, and it is still on less than 50% of Android phones?
Like Kevin said, give up the update argument.
I guess this is why in the past 9 months, in the U.S., that iPhone has gained 9 points of marketshare, while Android is falling. And why over 50% of the smartphones sold by the big 4 carriers are iPhones. Yeah, people are switching away. And this is before the new iPhones launch, and includes the S4 and HTC One launches.
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More to the point then. This is me, warning you not to do it again.
Now can we please move on to the relevant discussion in this thread?
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