No matter how good the V30 is, it still may not put a huge dent in sales of the duopoly.

[Almeuit]

You can finally get a more noisy, more distorted view of your house or car. Hooray!





Another shot made worse with the wide angle lens. The main camera easily took the best picture here and an iPhone 7 shot using the telephoto lens and portrait mode would have been a significantly better shot than the wide angle shot you took. All the wide angle lens did was make the subject smaller and require a flash due to the smaller aperture.

It may have been but what if you're at a party and trying to get everyone in the backyard with floats and bounce houses all around? One snap with wide angle solved that for me.

Panorama could have worked but usually with fast moving scenes (kids and people) stitching can be an issue.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

You can finally get a more noisy, more distorted view of your house or car. Hooray!

Who cares? We’re not talking about professional photographers who will usually compensate with manual controls and barrel distortion compensation in Lightroom anyway.

And I honestly am not a fan of the longer focal length approach. Just seems too “me-too”. The wide-angle lens is unique and while it is optically inferior to the main camera (as it should as it’s a secondary), that doesn’t make it any less fun to use.

In fact, the reason why people like it isn’t that it makes shots better, but it’s fun to use and can capture more of a moment at once.

 

[MSFTisMIA]

See, wide angle lens provides dramatic effect and convenience as its two biggest selling points. It's not every scene you need to use a wide angle for. I agree with the quality in lower light, which is why I'd love to see it at F2.0 with a slightly narrower field of view. But if you want to wow people or fit more into a scene from a landscape view, I prefer wide angle.

 

[MSFTisMIA]

See I like these combo of pictures because you get to switch roles in the following way...one is the regular shot and the wide angle allows you to do a reactionary shot to see how other people viewing the same object as you are interacting with it (photographing the photographer does have a dramatic effect). I'd lose that if I used a telephoto lens here.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

Do you have any evidence it's only a tiny percentage or are you going off you own dislike for it and assuming everyone must feel the same way ?

No mistake pal...just your opinion

The opinion shared with the vast majority of people. In a survey on Droid life of 2,357 people, only 18% said that dual lens cameras were an important feature and it is likely that even less than that care about the second lens being wide angle. There is a reason why the two most successful companies in smartphones chose telephoto lenses instead of wide angle. Even the author of a ZDNet article on dual lens cameras said that he didn't find much use for the wide angle lens. It's very obvious consumers aren't interested in wide angle lenses.

I agree. The standard shot might technically be the "better" one, but I prefer the wide angle shot more. It adds a bit of atmosphere to the picture.

It took the emphasis off of the subject and puts it on the empty restaurant. The image would have been better closer. That's why portraits are always close.

 

[Almeuit]

The opinion shared with the vast majority of people. In a survey on Droid life of 2,357 people, only 18% said that dual lens cameras were an important feature and it is likely that even less than that care about the second lens being wide angle. There is a reason why the two most successful companies in smartphones chose telephoto lenses instead of wide angle. Even the author of a ZDNet article on dual lens cameras said that he didn't find much use for the wide angle lens. It's very obvious consumers aren't interested in wide angle lenses.

So 2,300 out of how many actual customers in the US? That doesn't seem very uh .. great lol. Also link to said survey?

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

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See I like these combo of pictures because you get to switch roles in the following way...one is the regular shot and the wide angle allows you to do a reactionary shot to see how other people viewing the same object as you are interacting with it (photographing the photographer does have a dramatic effect). I'd lose that if I used a telephoto lens here.

It is bizarre to me that you guys love that "looking through a peep hole" effect so much. It's really hurting the images you're taking.

 

[MSFTisMIA]

It is bizarre to me that you guys love that "looking through a peep hole" effect so much. It's really hurting the images you're taking.

Dude, it's not bizzare. Human beings like different things. If everyone liked one form of art, art itself would be as boring as F. Your points are valid, but it is clear you're only interested in a bully pit approach here and are not interested in listening to anything others have said. People have said using a wide angle lens is SITUATIONAL. While you may not agree with my reasoning for taking the shots you quoted, which is fine, you don't get to try to steamroll me for my choices based on your own opinion.

Newsflash, a telephoto lens doesn't work well in all shots EITHER. It's casual photography here, not pro stuff as people pointed out earlier. Your comments are getting harder to read man, ease up a bit and get your nose from out the clouds.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

So 2,300 out of how many actual customers in the US? That doesn't seem very uh .. great lol. Also link to said survey?

It doesn't take very many people for a survey to be accurate.
http://www.droid-life.com/2017/06/29/thursday-poll-dual-cameras-important-feature/

Here is the ZDNet article I mentioned.

"The LG V20 secondary camera is limiting compared to the others and really only makes sense for some situations. The wide-angle camera also tends to give your photos a bit of fish-eye around the edges, and I honestly haven't found that many situations where I preferred to use the wide-angle mode."
Smartphone dual camera showdown: Two cameras, different focus | ZDNet

 

[Mike Dee]

The opinion shared with the vast majority of people. In a survey on Droid life of 2,357 people, only 18% said that dual lens cameras were an important feature and it is likely that even less than that care about the second lens being wide angle. There is a reason why the two most successful companies in smartphones chose telephoto lenses instead of wide angle. Even the author of a ZDNet article on dual lens cameras said that he didn't find much use for the wide angle lens. It's very obvious consumers aren't interested in wide angle lenses.



It took the emphasis off of the subject and puts it on the empty restaurant. The image would have been better closer. That's why portraits are always close.

Surveys like that mean very little since we know little about the population sampling, however 18 percent is pretty good since dual cameras are fairly new.

 

[MSFTisMIA]

See, I've always commended LG for being different. Some stuff works, some stuff doesn't. What I'm concerned about is them trying to totally conform just to sell units. Innovation never happened due to conformity. It's been shown that some of the tech we have was worse off than their respective options but was better marketed so they won out.

I hope LG keeps the content creators focus alive with the V30 and give us more options, not strip away things. Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if they went this way...they've done it before.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

This guy nails it.

Why the LG G5's dual camera is bad - Business Insider

 

[Aquila]

In a survey on Droid life of 2,357 people, only 18% said that dual lens cameras were an important feature

Droid life readers are less than 1% of smartphone consumers and there is a selection bias. Assuming that their readership is similar to AC's, that's less than 1% of their readers that chose to vote. If 2357 people randomly selected from all smartphone buyers had 18% saying that dual camera lenses were important, then because of the sample size and random nature of the selection, we could infer that there are likely half a billion people that want dual cameras and with your other point, let's say only 20% of those people liked wide versus telephoto .... that's still 100 million people. 100 million people is a lot of consumers and not something LG or anyone can just completely ignore, even if they choose not to fully cater to minorities like that. There's a lot of money being left on the table if everyone ignores that 100 million consumer voice.

 

[D13H4RD2L1V3]

Okay, I just want to say this.

What’s with all the hooplah over the wide-angle lens? It’s not like LG is forcing you to use it since it’s a secondary camera, and there’s always the main camera for more regular shots.

Yes, we all know the wide-angle lens is optically inferior with some barrel distortion and a smaller aperture. Like I said, that does not make it any less fun to use. Is it ideal for everything? Heck no. Someone with a decent lens collection will tell you the exact same thing, but it’s really nice to use.

Why do you think wide-angle lenses are still all the rage in the interchangeable lens camera segment?

 

[Aquila]

Surveys like that mean very little since we know little about the population sampling, however 18 percent is pretty good since dual cameras are fairly new.

But we know a TON about the population sampling. Almost every single person of the 2357 was a supernerd who spends an inordinate amount of time thinking and reading about smartphones and had chosen to read that poll and participate. That 2,357 number represents less than .01% of the real population and, since it wasn't chosen at random, has selection bias that's easy to identify. We can identify the selection bias by simply wondering how many iPhone fanatics were on Droid Life that day, as well as how many non-english speakers and how many people that don't care at all about smartphones, yet own one.

 

[Mike Dee]

But we know a TON about the population sampling. Almost every single person of the 2357 was a supernerd who spends an inordinate amount of time thinking and reading about smartphones and had chosen to read that poll and participate. That 2,357 number represents less than .01% of the real population and, since it wasn't chosen at random, has selection bias that's easy to identify. We can identify the selection bias by simply wondering how many iPhone fanatics were on Droid Life that day, as well as how many non-english speakers and how many people that don't care at all about smartphones, yet own one.

Thanks for making that point

 

[Almeuit]

It doesn't take very many people for a survey to be accurate.
http://www.droid-life.com/2017/06/29/thursday-poll-dual-cameras-important-feature/

Here is the ZDNet article I mentioned.

"The LG V20 secondary camera is limiting compared to the others and really only makes sense for some situations. The wide-angle camera also tends to give your photos a bit of fish-eye around the edges, and I honestly haven't found that many situations where I preferred to use the wide-angle mode."
Smartphone dual camera showdown: Two cameras, different focus | ZDNet

I definitely disagree. I think doing a poll of 2300 people doesn't account for the entire market lol.

 

[Aquila]

I definitely disagree. I think doing a poll of 2300 people doesn't account for the entire market lol.

We could get a distribution that resembles reality with 2% of that population - but only if it were selected purely at random from the entire population of users. Otherwise, with what we have, we can only confidently say that 18% of the DroidLife reading smartphone fanatics who visited that site on whichever day either do or pretend to care or not care about the feature. It has to be stated that specifically in order to account for the selection bias.

 

[EnemiesInTheEnd]

Surveys like that mean very little since we know little about the population sampling, however 18 percent is pretty good since dual cameras are fairly new.

Sure, it is good for dual cameras, but LG makes the least popular dual cameras by far.

Okay, I just want to say this.

What’s with all the hooplah over the wide-angle lens? It’s not like LG is forcing you to use it since it’s a secondary camera, and there’s always the main camera for more regular shots.

Yes, we all know the wide-angle lens is optically inferior with some barrel distortion and a smaller aperture. Like I said, that does not make it any less fun to use. Is it ideal for everything? Heck no. Someone with a decent lens collection will tell you the exact same thing, but it’s really nice to use.

Why do you think wide-angle lenses are still all the rage in the interchangeable lens camera segment?

I can only assume you're talking about DSLRs. They're an entirely different thing.

 

[Aquila]

but LG makes the least popular dual cameras by far.

We have no idea if this is true or not. There's no way to buy ONLY the LG camera with all the other features from an iPhone 7+, etc. You have to buy the entire phone, which comes with all the compromises of that phone.