Chris3D, thanks for topic related responses. Awesome. I am not saying he is right, I am just trying to figure out where in the Android handbook does it say all market apps run on all devices? They don't, and I could list a 100 at least ( I may to help newbies reading this) as that is my primary focus. I just hate seeing people make 5 dollar mistakes that may end up being 500 dollar ones. I am not saying anyone is wrong, or Koush is right. I don't care there. I do want people to understand google's open OS means compatibility issues with apps can and do happen. Does that make the app developer wrong? Or is it Samsungs fault? Most apps on unrooted devices run fine. But rooted devices need care. I don't get (although I do, and have made mistakes too) how people run apps that intervene the boot-loader without confirming first if they work. I have always done research and asked seasoned forum members before messing with system files. I just think Koush never intended harm, and it is kinda low-ball to create that perception of him here. Newbies, do not change system files until you confirm they work. Is that to difficult for us to do these days?
Some of the best stuff I read makes me mad, but I read it too, as being informed is always better than shutting off and closing my mind. I was never trying to see Adrynalyne's point, as I was more focused on trying to help new people to android to not make that mistake. In my first posts here I could have had a little more tact, but I never tied a user-name to a low-ball remark. It is the content of the thread, not Adrynalyne, that disturbs me a little. It is like reading the disgruntled customer review of some bunk tires they bought and didn't return them in the warranty period. Koush will never please everyone, and I am sure more disgruntled customers lie in the wake with future devices.
Should Koush test every device? I don't think so, because the instance he said this will work, he takes all responsibility for everyone who roots with his recovery on whatever device he officially supports. It won't happen. I am trying to look at this without adding "heat." I am glad you agree that people should research first, and I think that should be the focus here, not "Koush is not cooperating."
I am sorry for people being out 5 bucks, but they need to take at least part of that, and be responsible for it. I am real sorry that the fella bricked his phone, but from what I read, he is known for trying stuff out ,so I am sure he takes some responsibility, and doesn't blame Koush 100%? I just love the heck out of Android, and the developers and community make it rock. I went to the RM app in the market, and it is littered with people upset that RM doesn't work on the Fasc. When did he ever say it would work? I think we are being to childish with "Koush isn't working for us," and "he needs to apologise." You know.
Johnly,
PLEASE take your time and read this post carefully because you seem to only remember the parts of people's posts where they agree with what you say. I will break it down for you point by point:
1. I understand and agree with your point of trying to educate newbies about doing their research before taking any action.
2. No one is trying to say that every app should work with every device, that just seems to be your interpretation of what people are saying.
3. It is Koush's responsibility to post a warning on his app when he is aware his app does not work on certain devices. The devs and numerous fascinate owners who bought rom manager have been making Koush aware of the problems for some time now, and he has taken no action until this time based on the suggestions of the devs and complaints of the customers.
4. If he no longer had the time or the desire to continue to support the fascinate, fine, that is his choice. But then it is his responsibility to post the warning I mentioned in #3, such as "This app will no longer support the Samsung Fascinate"
5. The only reason this thread has turned into the flame Koush thread is directly because of the way he has ignored the customer complaints and suggestions and advice of the devs. And then when he did respond, his response was, "fix it yourselves." I think you'd be hard pressed to find any threads or posts flaming Koush until he had that response. It is the built up frustration of fascinate owners he caused himself with his lack of response that led to this.
6. Chris3D made some excellent, relevant to topic points in post #132 at 3:46 P.M. You complimented him on his responses, but then right back into the not every app will work on every phone, which really was not the point of Chris3D's post and excellent points.
7. We are not, as you say, asking Koush to please everyone. All we were asking was that he respond to our concerns and complaints in some fashion. Ignoring customer complaints and dissatisfaction is no way to run any kind of business. If he had responded right away with anything even that he was no longer supporting the Fascinate, this would not have reached this level.
8. My point in posting about Gunnermike53 bricking his phone was not to get you to say you were sorry he bricked his phone. I'm sure Gunner is not asking for that either. And nowhere in Gunner's post was he blaming Koush for the brick, he wasn't looking for Koush to take responsibility, he was simply stating the fact that using rom manager bricked his phone. I just know how much work Gunner puts in to help newbies from bricking their phones and to get out of brick situations, so I took offense to your intimation that he was lying about bricking his phone.
9. How can you tout your academic prowess and the fact you are in an honor society, and enter a discussion without taking the time to understand or even see the discussion originator's point? I thought the point of higher education was to open your mind and understand other points of view. Instead you came into this discussion with a very closed mind and very focused vision. Bad form.
I am not trying to launch a personal attack against you by making all these points, and if it came across that way I am sorry. I just saw that in all your responses you were completely ignoring the point of the other person's post and once again throwing out your narrow viewpoint. We get that we should do our research before doing anything, you have made that point over and over. You are just not understanding that the whole point of this was that Koush was ignoring us for the longest time and when he did respond his response was I'm not fixing it, you fix it. I am fine with him not wanting to fix the problems for the fascinate for all that time, but as soon as he was aware of the problems he should have made prospective customers aware he was not going to fix the problems so they can make an informed decision about whether or not to buy his app.