Reasons why not to support Rom Manager anymore

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Chris3D, thanks for topic related responses. Awesome. I am not saying he is right, I am just trying to figure out where in the Android handbook does it say all market apps run on all devices? They don't, and I could list a 100 at least

There's no question that the potential for some incompatibilities across all possible configurations is an unfortunate reality of the OS, and no one is to blame, or being blamed, for that. It's just the nature of the beast. I just think when it comes to a developer's attention that his app isn't working on a particular device, it's his responsibility to make that fact known so users of that device don't purchase the app. To not do so is dishonest.

As I think was suggested, all he needed to do is add a disclaimer to his app's description saying that Rom Manager isn't compatible with the Samsung Fascinate. I've seen this exact same disclaimer on other apps on the market, so it's not an unusual or unheard-of thing to do/say.

I do want people to understand google's open OS means compatibility issues with apps can and do happen.

I completely agree with you there. I think a line is crossed, however, when a developer starts charging for an app. The simple fact that an end user chooses to root his/her phone shouldn't release developers from either making sure their app works or refunding the purchase to those who discover the app doesn't function on their device. To accept payment for something that a developer knows doesn't work, with no warning and no offer for a refund is fraudulent, end of story.
 
Just throwing it out there, but did anyone see he and JT1134 fixed the problem about two hours ago and posted it. Koush thanked JT1134 for his 8 hours of helping him fix the problem.

BTW I have read nothing except the first page of this thread and the last page of the thread. I have no idea what is going on in this forum except I did not see that the problem CWM was having with the SF was fixed.

You see very clear friend.
 
Does it not matter to anyone that the jerk basically insulted every user of this forum? I don't care that the technical problem with RM was fixed, the guy said some things he shouldn't have and I don't think he should be able to just gloss over it like it never happened.
 
There's no question that the potential for some incompatibilities across all possible configurations is an unfortunate reality of the OS, and no one is to blame, or being blamed, for that. It's just the nature of the beast. I just think when it comes to a developer's attention that his app isn't working on a particular device, it's his responsibility to make that fact known so users of that device don't purchase the app. To not do so is dishonest.

As I think was suggested, all he needed to do is add a disclaimer to his app's description saying that Rom Manager isn't compatible with the Samsung Fascinate. I've seen this exact same disclaimer on other apps on the market, so it's not an unusual or unheard-of thing to do/say.



I completely agree with you there. I think a line is crossed, however, when a developer starts charging for an app. The simple fact that an end user chooses to root his/her phone shouldn't release developers from either making sure their app works or refunding the purchase to those who discover the app doesn't function on their device. To accept payment for something that a developer knows doesn't work, with no warning and no offer for a refund is fraudulent, end of story.

You are right, a disclaimer wouldn't hurt anyone. He seems to have upset quite a few.....so is it resolved now?
 
Does it not matter to anyone that the jerk basically insulted every user of this forum? I don't care that the technical problem with RM was fixed, the guy said some things he shouldn't have and I don't think he should be able to just gloss over it like it never happened.

It upset me for like a second, but you know what, he isnt here enough to see how we help people that are not at developer levels , we fill a need that other forums cant always fill. We have some very thorough , hold your hand tutorials. That may seem like a joke to others but for thousands of android owners that are new to things we provide an outstanding service. And as is we are growing in talent. so his words should be taken with a grain of salt. It was an ill informed statement. i wont sit there and entertain it by defending ourselves to him or anyone.

the thousands we help speaks for itself. :cool:
 
Does it not matter to anyone that the jerk basically insulted every user of this forum? I don't care that the technical problem with RM was fixed, the guy said some things he shouldn't have and I don't think he should be able to just gloss over it like it never happened.

Hey fella. If I have said anything that offended you I am sorry. My intentions were not to. Just point out what I said that offended you, and I will kindly remove/delete.
 
Hey fella. If I have said anything that offended you I am sorry. My intentions were not to. Just point out what I said that offended you, and I will kindly remove/delete.

No he is refering to Koush asking Adrynalyne why he posted this thread " in that joke of a forum"
 
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Chris3D, thanks for topic related responses. Awesome. I am not saying he is right, I am just trying to figure out where in the Android handbook does it say all market apps run on all devices? They don't, and I could list a 100 at least ( I may to help newbies reading this) as that is my primary focus. I just hate seeing people make 5 dollar mistakes that may end up being 500 dollar ones. I am not saying anyone is wrong, or Koush is right. I don't care there. I do want people to understand google's open OS means compatibility issues with apps can and do happen. Does that make the app developer wrong? Or is it Samsungs fault? Most apps on unrooted devices run fine. But rooted devices need care. I don't get (although I do, and have made mistakes too) how people run apps that intervene the boot-loader without confirming first if they work. I have always done research and asked seasoned forum members before messing with system files. I just think Koush never intended harm, and it is kinda low-ball to create that perception of him here. Newbies, do not change system files until you confirm they work. Is that to difficult for us to do these days?

Some of the best stuff I read makes me mad, but I read it too, as being informed is always better than shutting off and closing my mind. I was never trying to see Adrynalyne's point, as I was more focused on trying to help new people to android to not make that mistake. In my first posts here I could have had a little more tact, but I never tied a user-name to a low-ball remark. It is the content of the thread, not Adrynalyne, that disturbs me a little. It is like reading the disgruntled customer review of some bunk tires they bought and didn't return them in the warranty period. Koush will never please everyone, and I am sure more disgruntled customers lie in the wake with future devices.


Should Koush test every device? I don't think so, because the instance he said this will work, he takes all responsibility for everyone who roots with his recovery on whatever device he officially supports. It won't happen. I am trying to look at this without adding "heat." I am glad you agree that people should research first, and I think that should be the focus here, not "Koush is not cooperating."

I am sorry for people being out 5 bucks, but they need to take at least part of that, and be responsible for it. I am real sorry that the fella bricked his phone, but from what I read, he is known for trying stuff out ,so I am sure he takes some responsibility, and doesn't blame Koush 100%? I just love the heck out of Android, and the developers and community make it rock. I went to the RM app in the market, and it is littered with people upset that RM doesn't work on the Fasc. When did he ever say it would work? I think we are being to childish with "Koush isn't working for us," and "he needs to apologise." You know.

Johnly,
PLEASE take your time and read this post carefully because you seem to only remember the parts of people's posts where they agree with what you say. I will break it down for you point by point:
1. I understand and agree with your point of trying to educate newbies about doing their research before taking any action.

2. No one is trying to say that every app should work with every device, that just seems to be your interpretation of what people are saying.

3. It is Koush's responsibility to post a warning on his app when he is aware his app does not work on certain devices. The devs and numerous fascinate owners who bought rom manager have been making Koush aware of the problems for some time now, and he has taken no action until this time based on the suggestions of the devs and complaints of the customers.

4. If he no longer had the time or the desire to continue to support the fascinate, fine, that is his choice. But then it is his responsibility to post the warning I mentioned in #3, such as "This app will no longer support the Samsung Fascinate"

5. The only reason this thread has turned into the flame Koush thread is directly because of the way he has ignored the customer complaints and suggestions and advice of the devs. And then when he did respond, his response was, "fix it yourselves." I think you'd be hard pressed to find any threads or posts flaming Koush until he had that response. It is the built up frustration of fascinate owners he caused himself with his lack of response that led to this.

6. Chris3D made some excellent, relevant to topic points in post #132 at 3:46 P.M. You complimented him on his responses, but then right back into the not every app will work on every phone, which really was not the point of Chris3D's post and excellent points.

7. We are not, as you say, asking Koush to please everyone. All we were asking was that he respond to our concerns and complaints in some fashion. Ignoring customer complaints and dissatisfaction is no way to run any kind of business. If he had responded right away with anything even that he was no longer supporting the Fascinate, this would not have reached this level.

8. My point in posting about Gunnermike53 bricking his phone was not to get you to say you were sorry he bricked his phone. I'm sure Gunner is not asking for that either. And nowhere in Gunner's post was he blaming Koush for the brick, he wasn't looking for Koush to take responsibility, he was simply stating the fact that using rom manager bricked his phone. I just know how much work Gunner puts in to help newbies from bricking their phones and to get out of brick situations, so I took offense to your intimation that he was lying about bricking his phone.

9. How can you tout your academic prowess and the fact you are in an honor society, and enter a discussion without taking the time to understand or even see the discussion originator's point? I thought the point of higher education was to open your mind and understand other points of view. Instead you came into this discussion with a very closed mind and very focused vision. Bad form.

I am not trying to launch a personal attack against you by making all these points, and if it came across that way I am sorry. I just saw that in all your responses you were completely ignoring the point of the other person's post and once again throwing out your narrow viewpoint. We get that we should do our research before doing anything, you have made that point over and over. You are just not understanding that the whole point of this was that Koush was ignoring us for the longest time and when he did respond his response was I'm not fixing it, you fix it. I am fine with him not wanting to fix the problems for the fascinate for all that time, but as soon as he was aware of the problems he should have made prospective customers aware he was not going to fix the problems so they can make an informed decision about whether or not to buy his app.
 
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It upset me for like a second, but you know what, he isnt here enough to see how we help people that are not at developer levels , we fill a need that other forums cant always fill. We have some very thorough , hold your hand tutorials. That may seem like a joke to others but for thousands of android owners that are new to things we provide an outstanding service. And as is we are growing in talent. so his words should be taken with a grain of salt. It was an ill informed statement. i wont sit there and entertain it by defending ourselves to him or anyone.

the thousands we help speaks for itself. :cool:

How did I upset you? I watched this forum birth. The Admins/posters here are rock solid. You and I had butted heads awhile back right? We were civil right? I read stuff that I disagree with too, but I move on. I have seen you help numerous people. We can act like kids, or adults. I have three daughters, one is 11, trust me, get over it. We can all disagree and be civil right? All words should be taken with a grain of salt, anyone on the net can get published. Again, sorry if I have upset you, but that was not my intended function.

Glad Koush has fixed the Sammy so fast. Good dude.
 
How did I upset you? I watched this forum birth. The Admins/posters here are rock solid. You and I had butted heads awhile back right? We were civil right? I read stuff that I disagree with too, but I move on. I have seen you help numerous people. We can act like kids, or adults. I have three daughters, one is 11, trust me, get over it. We can all disagree and be civil right? All words should be taken with a grain of salt, anyone on the net can get published. Again, sorry if I have upset you, but that was not my intended function.

Glad Koush has fixed the Sammy so fast. Good dude.

read the post i posted after that one please
 
No he is refering to Koush asking Adrynalyne why he posted this thread " in that joke of a forum"

OK. makes sense. I am just trying real hard to stay on topic, and I know some feel a bit sore at me for defending Koush, so I figured I may as well apologize to all disgruntled posters.
 
why because you told him too. thats just bull Shiit move. RM works on DroidX with no problems. just because Samsung has screweed the pooch and can't give delv a good solid boot image to work with isn't koushs fault. how about get a real phone!
if kouch is doing this to us, whats to stop him from doing it to someone else? my coworker with a droidx went and left a nasty gram on the market.



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In the context of "he has newer devices to work on." When is the EOL on the Fascinate? I love the hardware it has, top notch.

wow, this phone has only been out for what, 5 months? we're talking EOL already??


why because you told him too. thats just bull Shiit move. RM works on DroidX with no problems. just because Samsung has screweed the pooch and can't give delv a good solid boot image to work with isn't koushs fault. how about get a real phone!

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oh boy... here we go...
 
OK. makes sense. I am just trying real hard to stay on topic, and I know some feel a bit sore at me for defending Koush, so I figured I may as well apologize to all disgruntled posters.

I appreciate the apology though. thank you

@Everyone,, please lets stay civil, there is alot more behind this story then have been presented, those of us in the Fascinate commuinty that are more active in the development and just general culture of it all know the bigger picture.

Koush is not evil, in fact rather brilliant We all need to take responsibility for our own actions. we as users know that nothing is perfect but when you donate money to a product that responsibility needs to be shared by the developer aswell. Balance is beauty. we should all work together towards the greater good. and i think that is what this was all about.

we appreciate koush stepping up a bit but that does not completely excuse all his actions.

Lets just stay civil and stay on point. We just want fairness in this deal.
 
Hey fella. If I have said anything that offended you I am sorry. My intentions were not to. Just point out what I said that offended you, and I will kindly remove/delete.
I think it is amusing how you were giving advice to adrenaline on how to root phones and responsibility that comes with it. I know better than most what it takes to brick a phone. I also know I paid for that stupid app and now it doesn't work. He fix a couple of things but it is still not fully functional as it was before.



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Johnly,
PLEASE take your time and read this post carefully because you seem to only remember the parts of people's posts where they agree with what you say. I will break it down for you point by point:
1. I understand and agree with your point of trying to educate newbies about doing their research before taking any action.

2. No one is trying to say that every app should work with every device, that just seems to be your interpretation of what people are saying.

3. It is Koush's responsibility to post a warning on his app when he is aware his app does not work on certain devices. The devs and numerous fascinate owners who bought rom manager have been making Koush aware of the problems for some time now, and he has taken no action until this time based on the suggestions of the devs and complaints of the customers.

4. If he no longer had the time or the desire to continue to support the fascinate, fine, that is his choice. But then it is his responsibility to post the warning I mentioned in #3, such as "This app will no longer support the Samsung Fascinate"

5. The only reason this thread has turned into the flame Koush thread is directly because of the way he has ignored the customer complaints and suggestions and advice of the devs. And then when he did respond, his response was, "fix it yourselves." I think you'd be hard pressed to find any threads or posts flaming Koush until he had that response. It is the built up frustration of fascinate owners he caused himself with his lack of response that led to this.

6. Chris3D made some excellent, relevant to topic points in post #132 at 3:46 P.M. You complimented him on his responses, but then right back into the not every app will work on every phone, which really was not the point of Chris3D's post and excellent points.

7. We are not, as you say, asking Koush to please everyone. All we were asking was that he respond to our concerns and complaints in some fashion. Ignoring customer complaints and dissatisfaction is no way to run any kind of business. If he had responded right away with anything even that he was no longer supporting the Fascinate, this would not have reached this level.

8. My point in posting about Gunnermike53 bricking his phone was not to get you to say you were sorry he bricked his phone. I'm sure Gunner is not asking for that either. And nowhere in Gunner's post was he blaming Koush for the brick, he wasn't looking for Koush to take responsibility, he was simply stating the fact that using rom manager bricked his phone. I just know how much work Gunner puts in to help newbies from bricking their phones and to get out of brick situations, so I took offense to your intimation that he was lying about bricking his phone.

9. How can you tout your academic prowess and the fact you are in an honor society, and enter a discussion without taking the time to understand or even see the discussion originator's point? I thought the point of higher education was to open your mind and understand other points of view. Instead you came into this discussion with a very closed mind and very focused vision. Bad form.

I am not trying to launch a personal attack against you by making all these points, and if it came across that way I am sorry. I just saw that in all your responses you were completely ignoring the point of the other person's post and once again throwing out your narrow viewpoint. We get that we should do our research before doing anything, you have made that point over and over. You are just not understanding that the whole point of this was that Koush was ignoring us for the longest time and when he did respond his response was I'm not fixing it, you fix it. I am fine with him not wanting to fix the problems for the fascinate for all that time, but as soon as he was aware of the problems he should have made prospective customers aware he was not going to fix the problems so they can make an informed decision about whether or not to buy his app.

Oy~ Don't we have better things to do! I am not going to try convince you why I see it a little differently than you. Again, I am looking at the larger picture here. Threads like this do what? It is argumentative and divisive. I have NO point to prove other than "research, then root." And I think Koush is a cool dude. If someone more talented than him said his work was unacceptable on the fascinate, and gave us a alternate recovery, fine. But that has not happened. That name has more talent than all of us put together in this thread as far as rooting goes. I think he has earned the right to "do it his way." If that bothers people, they should not buy the app.
 
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