These are very similar for me. If not for the solid trade in of the Note 10+ I would have never went for it either. I haven't had as horrible a camera experience as some, but it has caused me to miss some shots that I feel like the Note 10 would have captured. For me, it all depends on the trade in value for the ultra. If it makes sense I'll definitely go back to the note series even though my s-pen use was very limited.Good question. I upgraded from the Note because I was interested in the larger screen, higher refresh rate and improved camera. I could go either way on the S Pen. The Ultra is a beast but it's specs are better than the phone itself. The refresh rate is a battery killer and the camera is frustrating to use. Hopefully Samsung creates a better integrated package this time around. I was very close to just keeping the Note 10 Ultra as there are definitely aspects i prefer to the Ultra.